Church & State

Church & State


      What is wrong with the United States? Why is it going down hill so fast? I am going to tell you what I think is wrong. It is the Christian church. Not the denominational church or any other church, but the church of the born again believer in Jesus Christ. One of the last words that Jesus spoke is called the ‘great commission’. This can be found in Matthew 28:18-20. In verse 19, the first thing that Jesus says is; “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations”. That means, that we Christians are to teach all nations about Jesus Christ and try to get them saved. In other words, preach, teach, and talk the gospel to everyone. The gospel is Jesus Christ. The second thing He says is, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. That means that after a person believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, we try to get him or her baptized in water. I believe in immersion but if you can’t immerse, then sprinkle. Many people are afraid of being immersed in water or that amount of water may not be available. We cannot force people to be baptized. The third thing He says is, “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”. This is why all Christians need to study and read the gospels and all of the New Testament. If we do not know what Jesus taught and what He did and what the first century church did, how can we tell others? The great commission was not given just to missionaries or evangelists or preachers or teachers, but to all individuals in the church. We need to know what the commands of Jesus are, otherwise how can we show others? There are many Christians who lead others to Jesus and think that when that is done, their job is finished. It’s not. We have to get more involved with them after they are saved so that we can nurture them and help them to grow in the Lord. They don’t know how to walk so we have to teach them. NO POLITICS.

      The next thing I want to talk about is found in 2Chronicles 7:14. These words come from God. In verse 12, the Lord appears to Solomon by night and He, (God), says, “If My people”. Who are the people? God was talking to the king of Israel. So, ‘My people’, were the Israelites. Whatever He told them, we, (Christians); take it to mean us also. The next thing that He says is, “Which are called by My name”. All nations around Israel knew that they had taken on the name of Jehovah as their God, and today we (Christians) have taken on the name of Christ. The next thing that He says is;  “shall humble themselves”. There are so many Christians who think that they are better than anyone and walk around with their nose in the air. That’s not being humble. We are not any better than any one else. The only advantage that we do have is Jesus Christ. The next thing that He says is; “And pray”. Prayer is talking with God. Not just asking for things, but also having a conversation with Him; (also go back to being humble). We do not deserve His mercy. ‘Humble’, is acknowledging our faults without making excuses for them and not blaming others for what we have done. We shouldn’t be hypocrites in our prayers. God already knows what and why, so don’t try to con Him. The next thing that He says is;  “Seek My face”. Look to God for everything. Because of what Jesus did on the cross, we Christians can enter the Holy of Holies and be in the presence of God. Not as if we had earned the right to be there, but humbly on the coat tails of Jesus. Set some time apart each day to seek His face. The next thing that He says is;  “Turn from their wicked ways”. Again this verse talks to us as Christians because we are called by His name. The Christian church has to get back to what it was originally called to do. That is, spreading the gospel of Jesus to everyone; not only by preachers and teachers, but also by ALL Christians. What are our wicked ways? It’s getting involved in all kinds of things that are secular and worldly as a church and as an individual that have nothing to do with spreading the gospel. The next thing that He says is;  “Then will I hear from heaven”. We wonder why so many of our prayers seem to just bounce off the ceiling and come back to us. James 4:3 says, “Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss”. I have left out the last part of the verse because they wanted to consume the results of the prayer on themselves, but the first part of the verse goes along with what the rest of the bible has to say about prayer. The bible teaches us to pray in the will of God and if we do that we will not be praying amiss. The will of God is found in the bible. The next thing that He says is;  “Will forgive their sins”. There are so many things in this verse that need to be done before God will forgive their sin. So many people use 1 John 1:9, (“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness”), as the passage for forgiveness. If we take that verse as a blanket statement, we are taking it out of context. Read all of chapter 1 and also 2 Chronicles 7:14 in the Old Testament and make sure it coincides with the rest of the bible.  The New Testament has many verses about forgiveness. I’m only going to list 1. Mark 11:25, where it says; “And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have aught, (anything), against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses”. So you see that there is more to forgiveness than 1 John 1:9 by itself. The next thing that He says is; “Will heal their land”. It has nothing to do with individual prosperity; it is talking about the nation Israel. Today, for us, it is talking about the United States. This country is going to hell in a hand basket faster than a skier on a mountain slope. We can blame politicians and non-believers and anybody else, but it is not them. It is the Christian church and its entire people that are the cause. I will talk more about this a little later.


      The next thing I want to talk about is; who our example is and to whom we compare ourselves. The answer is Jesus. I want to use 2 Corinthians 10:12 for an example. Paul writes, “For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or comparing ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise”. The Holy Spirit is in us to conform us to the image of Jesus. So, in everything, our example is Jesus. If we compare ourselves to other people, we will look better than some and worse than others. As Christians, we have to compare ourselves with Jesus and not others. In 2 Corinthians 10, the Corinthians were comparing themselves one to another. Since I was born again, my life has changed drastically in all these years. I can see it, but I still know how vile and rotten I am and how much I stink, because I look at Jesus and I can’t compare to Him. In me there is no righteousness except the righteousness of Jesus and I know that God looks at me through rose-colored glasses, the blood of Christ, and He sees His righteousness in me. We have to examine ourselves; no one else can do it for us. As Jesus is our example, we have to study the gospels to see what He did and how He conducted Himself. When He sent the 12 and the 70 out, He told them to preach the kingdom. We, as Christians today are told the same thing, preach the gospel. Jesus is the gospel. In 1 Peter 2:9, Peter calls us a chosen generation. That generation began with the first Christian and will end when Jesus comes back for His bride, the church. Peter also calls us a royal priesthood. As priests we minister to God for others and ourselves by prayer and praise. Peter also calls us a holy nation. Peter is writing to Jewish Christians who were scattered all over. The Jews had recently crucified their Messiah, so he wasn’t calling them a holy nation. He was calling the ‘Christian’ Jews a holy nation no matter where they were. Today, the Christian community, wherever it is located, is the holy nation. We are a holy nation inside the United States, which is not a holy nation. Peter then calls us a peculiar people. Not that we are odd balls but that we are different from the world. If we are doing the same things that the world is doing then we are not peculiar people. Peter then says that we should show forth the praises of Him, (God), Who called us out of darkness into His marvelous light. In our daily lives, we are to walk so that people will see Jesus in us and not the world. We cannot show light and darkness at the same time. Many Christians talk light and walk darkness. The world is watching us. AGAIN NO POLITICS.

      Next I want to talk about 2 verses in scripture. In Matthew 12:30 where Jesus is talking and says, “He that is not with Me is against Me: and he that gathered not with Me scattereth abroad”; and in Luke 11:23 He says, “ He that is not with Me is against Me: and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth”. I imagine that all Christians would say that they are for Christ, but in order to really say that; they also have to do the second part of those 2 verses. As Christians we are not to do anything that will drive people away from Jesus, and if we do, we are scattering. There are many more scripture verses that tell us what we should be doing to lead people to Jesus. Another problem with Christians today is that they think they deserve better in this world. I want to point you to one more verse. Matthew 10:16, where Jesus says; “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves”. Is that how the Christian or the church is today? The answer to that is an emphatic NO. We must be doing the things that Jesus wants us to do and not what man wants. We have heard many Christians say, “Why me God”, instead of saying, “Why not me”.


      Now let’s look at the other side of the coin. In a reply to a letter that Thomas Jefferson had received from the Baptist Association of Danbury Ct., the phrase “Separation of church and state” originated. There are a lot of writings on this subject and it’s too much to put into this writing. At that time, Ct. was predominantly Congregational and the Baptist Assoc. was afraid that Ct. would pass a law that all churches would have to be Congregational. The letter was to affirm that there would not be any State church or church of the United States like the Church of England. There is now a separation of the two. The government has allowed the church to function freely for the most part. The problem now is that the Christian church and the Christian community have gotten involved in politics. We have Christian coalitions and moral majorities and churches that preach and teach Republicanism. God is not a Republican and He is not a Democrat. Each individual can vote for whom he or she wants to vote for. But that is not their primary duty. Our primary duty is to serve Jesus and Him alone. Gossip is when someone tells someone else something about another person whether true or false. Christian churches and organizations have put out flyers about different candidates for office. That’s gossip and it’s not their job either. The Christian community, including me, has complained about taking prayer out of schools. Do you think that God said, “OOPS, that one got by me”? Our God is in control of everything that happens. Satan is in control of nothing. God allows these things to happen for a purpose. If the church were doing what it was supposed to be doing, maybe God would not have allowed prayer to be taken out of school. If God was trying to tell us something, we sure weren’t listening then and we aren’t listening now. In place of letting God put whom He wanted in office we rigged elections to get who we wanted in office. Do you realize how many people we have driven away from Christ, (because of what we did in those elections)? Remember, if we are scattering we are against Jesus. The other thing is, we pray for God to put His person in office and then we don’t wait for Him to do it. Do you remember when Israel rejected God as their king and wanted a physical king that they could follow, He gave them Saul and you all know what happened. When we rigged the elections, God most likely said, “I am going to give YOU what you want and YOU will suffer the consequences”. If we look at the United States today, we can see that we are in the worse shape we have ever been in. Don’t you think that God is still trying to tell us something? Get out of politics and get back to your first love: JESUS. POLITICS AND THE CHURCH.

      The next topic I want to write about that the church is involved in is abortion. First of all, I am not for abortion. I am against it. In 1973 there was a law in Texas against abortion. That’s when the Roe/Wade trial took place. Wade was the prosecutor and Roe, (not her real name), was trying to get the law overturned. The law of abortion was on trial because Roe said that it took away her constitutional rights. In the end the United States Supreme Court overturned the law because they said that the law was unconstitutional. A law was passed giving women the right to have an abortion. God has given everyone a will of his or her own. We as Christians have that and we do what we want when we want and how we want. God never forces His will upon us. Who are we to try to force women who want an abortion to do our will? That goes against everything the scriptures teach us. We are also trying to get the law changed back to suit ourselves. It does not matter to us that, if we could get it changed back, it would be unconstitutional, as long as we got our way. Do you believe that all we are doing are Christian virtues? We are in the world, but not of the world and the world is not in us, but the world is in the church and the church is doing the same things that the world does. There is no place in scripture that tells us to try to change any laws. Scripture just tells us to obey them. The church uses the words of Peter and the Apostles in Acts 5:29 to say, “We ought to obey God rather than men”. The Apostles had been told by God to preach Jesus and the council wanted them to stop. The Apostles could use those words. The church today cannot. There is nothing in the word that tells us that we should be picketing abortion clinics, breaking the law and getting thrown in jail. We are told to obey laws. Some of these Christians from the churches were proud of being arrested. If the government said, “Women have to have an abortion”, then women could say, “We ought to obey God rather than men”. I believe that the Pro-Life movement began in 1973 and it was mostly of Catholic origin. Randall Terry founded Operation Rescue in 1984. On Christmas day of 1984, 3 abortion clinics were bombed and a message was given that it was a birthday gift for Jesus. I don’t know who did this, but I do know that it did not bring glory to Jesus. Our job is to bring glory to Jesus. If we get involved with any organization that brings dishonor to Jesus, then we are doing that also. Again this is scattering and if we do that we are against Jesus. There are many churches that are involved with Operation Rescue and it is wrong because it has driven so many people away from Jesus. Some leaders of the church paint pictures of the good deeds we would be doing by getting involved. Well, it doesn’t make any difference how good it is. If the scriptures do not go along with it, or tell us to do it, then it is wrong. If God wanted us to get involved, He would have told us, but man thinks he knows best, so he uses all kinds of methods to get others to think his way. POLITICS AND THE CHURCH.

      The next thing I want to write about that the church is involved in, is gays. The church is trying to get laws passed against the gay community. Is that the churches job? No. Our job as Christians is to love them and try to lead them to Jesus. We may not like what they do, but we can’t keep driving them further and further away from Jesus. Our main objective in life as a Christian is to walk in the footsteps of Jesus and be more like Him so that others will see what we have and want Him too. One of the last things Jesus said was, “Love your neighbor”. He did not say ‘unless’ after that. Everyone is our neighbor, but we are not neighbor to everyone. When we meet someone on the street or shopping and we don’t know him or her, that person is our neighbor. The church is involved in bashing gays, not with baseball bats but with their talking and their actions. The world looks at the church and sees what we are doing and instead of drawing people to Jesus, again, we are driving them away. John 3:16 says; “For God so loved the world”. They are part of the world. God does not like what they do, but He still loves them.  POLITICS AND THE CHURCH.

      These 3 topics: politics, abortion and gays are things that the Christian church should not be involved in. We are always praying for revival, but it will never come as long as we are going in the direction we have taken. The church cannot get involved in rigging elections. If you as an individual are a republican, vote republican, if a democrat, vote democrat. The church should not have any influence over that vote. The church, and we, as Christians are not on this earth to make laws or change laws. We are ambassadors for Christ.


      I want to write about 2 more things that Christians need to understand. The first is about Martha and Mary, (taken from Luke 10:38-42). Martha receives Jesus into her home. Martha was burdened about serving and preparing for her guests and Mary sat at the feet of Jesus listening to Him. Martha comes to Him and asks Him, “Don’t you care that Mary has left me to do all the work”? Jesus answered her saying, ”You are anxious and troubled about many things, but one thing is needed and Mary has chosen that good part”. How many times have you heard the expression; “I can’t, I’m busy”? The bible teaches us to read and study and pray, but so many people say they are too busy. What did Jesus tell Martha? He told her that Mary had chosen the good part, and that was listening to Jesus. On a Sunday morning we go to church. In order to do that, we have to set some time aside. The more kids you have the more time is needed. If we can do it on a Sunday we should be able to do it every day of the week. We have to make the time. Every man can get up a half hour early to read and study by himself. Women can do the same during the day. We cannot sit at the feet of Jesus and listen to Him without opening up His book, the bible, and letting Him talk to us. Jesus never told Martha that what she was doing was wrong, so works are good, but we can’t use works as an excuse for not reading or studying the bible.

      The second thing is about God and Satan and I’m going to use 2 Samuel 24:1; “And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah”. The second verse is 1 Chronicles 21:1; “And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel”. These are 2 verses talking about the same situation, David having a census taken. I want you to see that Satan is never in control of anything. It seems like pride was becoming a problem with David, so God allows him to be tempted of Satan in that area. I don’t know why God was angry at Israel, but He was. So, God uses Satan to tempt David so that He can punish Israel. In 1 Chronicles 21:8, David confesses his sin of pride. Then God speaks to David’s seer Gad to give him 3 choices and in verse 13 David chooses to fall into the hands of the Lord. 70,000 men died from the pestilence, and God also sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy Jerusalem. David sees the angel standing between heaven and earth and God stops the angel from destroying Jerusalem. This happens at the threshing floor of Onan. There is a lot going on in chapter 21. The angel tells Gad to tell David to build an altar to the Lord on that threshing floor and make his sacrifices to God there. When we get to chapter 22, we find out that the threshing floor of Onan is to be the site that the temple is to be built on. God uses anyone or anything to accomplish His will. He punished Israel and pointed David to the place He wanted His temple built and Satan was not the wiser. There have been many disasters lately, like the Tsunami, hurricane Katrina and the twin towers of 9/11. Christians want to blame them on anything and everything so long as it’s not placed on them. All these things happened for a reason, they didn’t slip by God. We are that reason. We have to start looking at ourselves because God is sending messages to His church and we are not paying attention. These last 2 stories are to help us see that the more we learn of the bible the less we will be deceived. 

Bill Gauthier

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